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Jessica_CDN
According to this CBC article, Canadians travelled a huge amount last year!

Why are we so willing to travel, and are we "good" travellers?
whereshegoes
We travel because its so cold here that we need to thaw every now and then...

Good is as Good does.
ScottWoz
I've met loads of Canadians on the road. Out of interest, what's a 'good' traveller?
siscri
Good travellers? I don't know. But I liked every Canadian I met travelling. Them and the Danish were consistently the most fun.

Is you country crap? That's why so many Irish travel.
mizliz
To me, a good traveller is one who can easily fit into the local culture by adopting their customs, their values and their need for certain behaviours such as the proper clothing to cover themselves, their various manners and to blend in with the locals. Learning a few basic words of the local language is much appreciated as well.

This is pretty well an obligation of any "good traveller" who wishes to be acceptable and welcomed by whatever culture they are in, even if their culture is far different than what we are accustomed to, unless of course it is simply something we can't accept and adapt to.

For me, when I am in Italy I am an Italian, when in France I accept their culture as my own, same with other European nations, and it's not at all difficult for me to do. I do my research before I arrive there, and then simply do as they want and expect. No problem.

My big problem is trying to adapt to Muslim culture. It is so foreign and disagreeable to me that it's impossible for a western woman to accept that Islamic women are treated as third class citizens without any of the rights Western women are accustomed to. It's not possible for me to go along with this, so I travel through such countries, enjoy whatever I can, and leave with my own western culture intact. Whenever I am in a Muslim nation of course I obey their demands for covering my head when necessary, and not wear shorts or sleeveless tops which would offend them. This is not difficult to do, and while it gives both me and Muslims a feeling that I respect their culture, which I do, it doesn't demean me in any way to do that.

So Scott, to answer your question, one only needs to respect whatever culture one has come to visit and enjoy. appreciate and never cause concern for those who are different than we are.

Every nation deserves to have its' culture appreciated, if not always agreed with.
mizliz
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Is you country crap? That's why so many Irish travel.


Siscri, do you think Ireland is crap?

If you do, that is very sad for me as a Canadian with Irish immigrant blood running through her veins.

I've always wanted to visit Ireland, particularly Northern Ireland, from which my forebears emigrated to Canada in the 1800s. I have this romantic image of a beautiful Ireland, green and lush, with many happy Irish men and women singing and dancing in the plentiful and active pubs while drinking fine Irish brews...a mere dream I am sure which can't be the reality.

I have done much research into my genealogy and have learned exactly from where my ancestors lived before they emigrated to Canada...because of the potato famine in the mid-80s. My gg left Ireland as a new widower with his 7 children to come to Canada and begin life over again in Quebec as a farmer. He soon cleared his land and planted his crops to sell and raise his family. One son, the eldest, didn't join him until he attempted to do later, and that was during the U.S. civil war when he was put on a ship in England headed for the U.S. instead of Canada, and was then conscriped into the U.S. Army to fight for the Union, and was killed in the line of duty and buried in Arlington National Cemetery. I have a picture of his gravestone there taken by an aunt who was also interested in our family history.

Ireland, and particlarly Northern Ireland, indeed had an extremely unsettling and uncomfortable recent past history. Catholics and Protestants fighting one another, bombings, killing of innocent people...thank goodness this sees to have been finally stopped.

So tell me Siscri, why do you say that Ireland is crap?
Jessica_CDN
excellent definition of a good traveller! Just what I had in mind! smile.gif

In terms of travelling in Muslim countries, it's something that I'm struggling with myself. I have a hard time going somewhere and not embracing the culture, but I think in this case it'll offend my feminist sensibilities. It's a really hard pill to swallow.


You know, it's interesting to me - when there's a racist regime (think South Africa), international action (embargoes) are put in place to stop the mistreatment of peoples. But the same isn't done for women. Why is that?
wakingdream
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Every nation deserves to have its' culture appreciated, if not always agreed with


Mizliz's definition of a good traveler is great. I think one of the most important aspects of it all is being able to submerse yourself in surroundings and in cultures you either don't agree with, don't like, or are not compfortable in. That's the biggest challenge. It's easy to get on in places you love even if some areas of travel there are challenging. A good traveler is up for a challenge.

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I've always wanted to visit Ireland, particularly Northern Ireland, from which my forebears emigrated to Canada in the 1800s. I have this romantic image of a beautiful Ireland, green and lush, with many happy Irish men and women singing and dancing in the plentiful and active pubs while drinking fine Irish brews...a mere dream I am sure which can't be the reality.


I was in N.I. late last year and Mizliz, you're dreams are really not far off from the reality at all! Infact, you're dreams definitely fit the reality I witnessed. Singing and dancing in pubs, picturesque and definitely lush and green backdrop. When you make it there you will love it.

One reason I think we Canucks travel is b/c we are surrounded by other cultures and ethnicities and we realise how much more is out there. We're interested, we want to know, we seek adventure. We're hearty people, good spirited and enthusiastic. I think as a whole we represent our country really well when we travel. We are respectful and easy to talk to. Alot of people see us as very "PC". Maybe this is another reason why we travel so well. We really do try to be nice and not offend anyone. We are thoughtful.
rbisset
I thought I'd meet loads of Canadians travelling but didn't meet many at all. I remember sitting around with some stoned Canadian guys in Koh Pha Ngan. They were even playing Neil Young songs on a guitar and harmonica! Couldn't get any more stereotypical tongue.gif

I also remember another Canadian guy in Aus who found some pub showing the Stanley Cup final and came back to the hostel in tears lol!! crying_anim02.gif
wakingdream
QUOTE(rbisset @ May 30 2007, 03:24 PM) *

I thought I'd meet loads of Canadians travelling but didn't meet many at all. I remember sitting around with some stoned Canadian guys in Koh Pha Ngan. They were even playing Neil Young songs on a guitar and harmonica! Couldn't get any more stereotypical tongue.gif

I also remember another Canadian guy in Aus who found some pub showing the Stanley Cup final and came back to the hostel in tears lol!! crying_anim02.gif

Ah yes, Neil Young. A damn fine Canadian.

The dude in tears over the SC is so not surprising! laugh.gif
rbisset
Haha he was trying to get a load of people to go along with him but no one cared about ice hockey tongue.gif

Speaking of ice hockey I remember sitting around with a load of Finnish girls in Melbourne during the winter olympics whilst the final was on against Sweden. They were listening to it on their phone as someone was playing the commentary to them from Finnish TV! They went mental at the end when they lost tongue.gif
ScottWoz
What an amazing picture, I'm dribbling. Canada beckons. Our time will come.. yes.gif

I know they're out there and I've said it before but I haven't met a bad Canadian yet, and so far I've met loads on the road. Yesterday I met up with an old friend from Montreal who I met on the road in 04, just so happens we're both in Melboure. She bought loads of food along to fatten me up with and we had a right old time sitting outside watching the world go by, absolutely spot-on.

Actually, will someone send me a bad one? I'm curious. And are you ALL fanatical about yoga?
peacefrog
mmm, something I think could be a hint: what about the level of education of Canadian citizens?
wakingdream
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Actually, will someone send me a bad one? I'm curious. And are you ALL fanatical about yoga?


Yes, we're all yogis at heart. rolleyes.gif Not really. No. Why? Do you know alot of Canucks that do yoga? Think it's as much a trend here as alot of other places. Everywhere I look now there are yoga retreats out the ying-yang.

Nah, you don't want a bad one. He/she will be bad, and likely pissed as a newt from all the beer we drink. Not pretty. Bad combination. There could be plaid flying everywhere when it's all said and done...(sorry, can't get off the plaid thing)
ScottWoz
What's the plaid thing?

I'm still curious to meet one. They can't be as bad as some of the scum we produce..
mizliz
Scott:

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What an amazing picture, I'm dribbling. Canada beckons. Our time will come..

I know they're out there and I've said it before but I haven't met a bad Canadian yet, and so far I've met loads on the road. Yesterday I met up with an old friend from Montreal who I met on the road in 04, just so happens we're both in Melboure. She bought loads of food along to fatten me up with and we had a right old time sitting outside watching the world go by, absolutely spot-on.

Actually, will someone send me a bad one? I'm curious. And are you ALL fanatical about yoga?


Scott, you simply must come to Canada if you enjoy beautiful scenery. Not just the eastern provinces, they are great too, but for the best in scenery you need to come to British Columbia where we have an ocean, many rivers and lakes, mountains, thousands of acres of virgin forests full of wildlife--cougars, bears both grizzly and brown, polar bears if you go north far enough, coyotes, deer, moose, mountain goats, plus whales, seals, many water birds of various sorts, salmon, prawns and shrimp, crabs, mussels, oysters, clams, scallops...

Everything is green and lush due to the plentiful rain, especially on the West Coast where I live. The picture above could well have been taken near Whistler, or maybe the western part of Alberta, which shares the Rockie Mountains with B.C.

You will love it here, promise. Plus the gals are very beautiful and natural...long, straight hair kept very clean, very little or no makeup because they don't need it, lithe, slim and athletic bodies and gorgeous smooth skin...I hate them! devil.png

Yoga is making a comeback here, as it is all over North America. The western provinces especially have health conscious people who exercise and eat well every day, sometimes staying with organic foods, which we have in plentiful supply. Our beers and wines are fine quality too, or it's easy enough to buy imported beer and wine if you prefer.

Jobs are easily found here as we are presently having a huge shortage of trained people to fill them all, which is why we have a huge immigrant population.

Maybe nasty Canadians don't travel, but be assured that we have our share of them.
mizliz
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I was in N.I. late last year and Mizliz, you're dreams are really not far off from the reality at all! Infact, you're dreams definitely fit the reality I witnessed. Singing and dancing in pubs, picturesque and definitely lush and green backdrop. When you make it there you will love it.


Thank you so much for telling me that, wakingdream. You've relieved my mind immensely. Unfortunately, I won't ever get to NI now as I can no longer afford to travel. I do my travelling now by reading all about peoples' adventures here!
rbisset
QUOTE(ScottWoz @ May 31 2007, 03:53 AM) *

What's the plaid thing?

I'm still curious to meet one. They can't be as bad as some of the scum we produce..


We certainly produce a lot of scum! Sadly a lot of our scum seem to make it over to Aus as well as I'm sure you've noticed.
wakingdream
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What's the plaid thing?


You know...that we're all lumberjacks up here and wear plaid all the time! It makes me laugh, b/c I think Canadians do wear alot of plaid! tongue.gif 'Specially in the back-country.

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rbisset
I used to have a jacket identical to that when I was a young kid biggrin.gif
travellingjon
I still have one...


*blushes*


Oh My God, where are my matches and gasoline ?
wakingdream
QUOTE(travellingjon @ Mar 2 2008, 04:12 PM) *

I still have one...


*blushes*


Oh My God, where are my matches and gasoline ?


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cheaptraveller
Hi, about Canada and in particular Toronto. Any suggestions for cheap hotels in Toronto?

thanks much
CT
thellie
okay, it's far too matey and let's love a canuck here... let me throw a spanner in the works...

firstly, a question. would you call quebecois canadian? because the standard of volunteer that we get from there is abysmal. selfish, ignorant, culturally inept, loud, boorish... i could go on.

actually, the worst ever, EVER EVER, volunteer we had was canadian, but not quebecois. a complete idiot, drunk, drugged up, looking for fights, you name it, that prat did it...

again, i could go on with 2-3 more, but it tends to be canadians that cause us more issues than any other nationality...
travellingjon
QUOTE(thellie @ Jun 30 2008, 08:10 AM) *

(...) the standard of volunteer that we get from there (...)

actually, the worst ever, EVER EVER, volunteer we had (...)


What kind of volunteers ?
wakingdream
QUOTE(thellie @ Jun 30 2008, 08:10 AM) *

okay, it's far too matey and let's love a canuck here... let me throw a spanner in the works...

firstly, a question. would you call quebecois canadian? because the standard of volunteer that we get from there is abysmal. selfish, ignorant, culturally inept, loud, boorish... i could go on.

actually, the worst ever, EVER EVER, volunteer we had was canadian, but not quebecois. a complete idiot, drunk, drugged up, looking for fights, you name it, that prat did it...

again, i could go on with 2-3 more, but it tends to be canadians that cause us more issues than any other nationality...


That doesn't really surprise me to tell the truth. There are dinks coming from all over. Canadians are not saints! I'd be lying if I said I never met an a-hole Canuck! smile.gif I think, generally speaking, they do tend to handle themselves consistently well when traveling, but it doesn't mean we're all these sickeningly nice, sweet, polite, happy people! I think one thing that makes us good travelers is we adjust well.
thellie
hmmmm, so maybe you're good travellers as a whole, but perhaps you just make crap volunteers then?

that by definition is a complete generalisation... but based entirely on personal empirical evidence...
wakingdream
QUOTE(thellie @ Jun 30 2008, 10:22 AM) *

hmmmm, so maybe you're good travellers as a whole, but perhaps you just make crap volunteers then?

that by definition is a complete generalisation... but based entirely on personal empirical evidence...

Haha, maybe....! Personally, I make a great volunteer smile.gif

Maybe just a weird luck of the draw? Maybe we do make crap volunteers?!
thellie
come on then susie, see you at mirror... when...?
wink.gif
wakingdream
QUOTE(thellie @ Jun 30 2008, 01:02 PM) *

come on then susie, see you at mirror... when...?
wink.gif

Well, give me four more weeks to pop this baby out, then another, say, 6 months or so and then we're heading back to show off our little one smile.gif

I take it you'll still be around? I've got some pretty reliable babysitters over there smile.gif ........ Would love to show that a good 'ole Canadian volunteer can give 'er pretty good! wink.gif
thellie
goof for you... and you can join the hordes of newly borns we have here now - 4, inc. paul's little girl kitty, khun moo's sira, and two of the other girls on staff as well
wakingdream
QUOTE(thellie @ Jul 1 2008, 03:54 AM) *

goof for you... and you can join the hordes of newly borns we have here now - 4, inc. paul's little girl kitty, khun moo's sira, and two of the other girls on staff as well


That sounds really, really good yes.gif Truly can't wait to get back.
cheli
QUOTE(mizliz @ May 31 2007, 12:09 AM) *

Our beers and wines are fine quality too, or it's easy enough to buy imported beer and wine if you prefer.


Another spanner in the works - I don't agree with the above comment. Sure, the microbreweries can be good, but I'm yet to find a Canuk beer poured from the tap which didn't give me a terrible aftertaste. The wine is pretty hit and miss too.

Can't speak for the girls, but Canuk boys (from my impirical evidence of 5) are majority caught up in themselves and a waste of time wink.gif

Nah, I loved the 5 weeks I spent there, am definitely looking forward to going back in Summer when I can actually get out into the backcountry biggrin.gif
inasia2008
This is facinating... firstly I was sitting trying to think if I had ever met any Canadians, and then I remembered the ones I met in Bahrain! At first being completely honest, I thought they were loud, drank too much and for some reason they kept doing this really annoying whistling thing! Then I thought well hang on, you're in the same bar every damn day and we used to sing at the tops of our voices etc. (country songs) so we were ALL loud and drunk, just without whistling so much! Anyway I thought in the end they were just having fun and enjoying life so all credit to them! I also met another guy, called Aaron, and he was awesome!
I was a bit disappointed with the comments about Ireland being crap! I also have Irish roots, but then so many people do, and I know the place my family is from is County Sligo, about 3 hours from Dublin and its meant to be gorgeous! Never been there, but I have heard from Irish friends of mine! But I am glad that this was made clear on here too!
I also agree that a good traveller is someone who can respect the local customs and traditions and learn some of the language etc.
I spent two years in the Middle East and I didn't have a problem adapting to the muslim culture, but then the place I was is pretty westernised by Muslim standards. Some places I can understand would be harder to adapt too, like Saudi Arabia, here the western companies have their staff living on compounds etc. and muslim women are not allowed to drive cars etc. amongst other things. But in Bahrain so long as you cover yourself respectfully when you are out in public, shoulders and legs you are fine! They don't expect western women to cover their heads. Alcohol is still allowed in Bahrain so long as its not taken onto the street and swearing is not allowed in public.
When I travel to other countries I will research the country and take inro consideration as such as I can, such as in Thailand its not polite to show the soles of your feet and you shouldn't touch people on the head! In Japan it is not polite to put your chopsticks in your bowl of rice once you have finished this is a ceremonial offering only done at funerals!
inasia2008
QUOTE(wakingdream @ Jul 1 2008, 02:25 AM) *

QUOTE(thellie @ Jun 30 2008, 01:02 PM) *

come on then susie, see you at mirror... when...?
wink.gif

Well, give me four more weeks to pop this baby out, then another, say, 6 months or so and then we're heading back to show off our little one smile.gif

I take it you'll still be around? I've got some pretty reliable babysitters over there smile.gif ........ Would love to show that a good 'ole Canadian volunteer can give 'er pretty good! wink.gif


Hi Susie, I didn't realise you volunteered at Mirror too?
wakingdream
QUOTE(inasia2008 @ Jul 2 2008, 01:24 AM) *

QUOTE(wakingdream @ Jul 1 2008, 02:25 AM) *

QUOTE(thellie @ Jun 30 2008, 01:02 PM) *

come on then susie, see you at mirror... when...?
wink.gif

Well, give me four more weeks to pop this baby out, then another, say, 6 months or so and then we're heading back to show off our little one smile.gif

I take it you'll still be around? I've got some pretty reliable babysitters over there smile.gif ........ Would love to show that a good 'ole Canadian volunteer can give 'er pretty good! wink.gif


Hi Susie, I didn't realise you volunteered at Mirror too?


No, I didn't. Not yet anyway. We're planning to get back at some point sooner than later and I think I'd give it a go if the timing was right smile.gif

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Another spanner in the works - I don't agree with the above comment. Sure, the microbreweries can be good, but I'm yet to find a Canuk beer poured from the tap which didn't give me a terrible aftertaste. The wine is pretty hit and miss too.


Hmm. I think you had a bad luck of the draw. There are actually many great microbrews and beers 'round here. But, suppose it could definitely be our 'tastes' are just different and you're used to a different kind of flavour. But I'm surprised b/c there's usually something for everyone. Lots of beer that I think doesn't have much taste, nice, hoppy beers, fantastic ales, great malts, smooth lagers.... anyway, that's too bad. I also think the Niagara region produces some very nice wines, but prefer to buy wine coming from other areas of the world myself.

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Can't speak for the girls, but Canuk boys (from my impirical evidence of 5) are majority caught up in themselves and a waste of time


As for the boys, too bad b/c there are some really nice (in many ways) Canadian men around! Course it's awfully difficult to tell from just five smile.gif
kjonline
QUOTE(cheli @ Jul 1 2008, 07:59 PM) *
Can't speak for the girls, but Canuk boys (from my impirical evidence of 5) are majority caught up in themselves and a waste of time wink.gif

Pah. I'm too important to be fazed by your silly insults. Now if you'll excuse me, there's a mirror over there that demands my attention.
filipina4friend
If you travel some part of the world, you must adopt their cultures etc.. even if it's a muslim area.
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