What is a Local Expert? (68)


Welcome to the TravelPod forums

This is the place where TravelPod bloggers exchange travel tips with each other.
Got a question? Ask one of our Local Experts by clicking "new topic" in any category.
(Please read the forum rules before posting)


2 Pages V  1 2 >  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> What is inauthenticity?
starlagurl
post Jun 10 2008, 01:44 PM
Post #1


Rolling Stone
********

Group: TP Staff
Posts: 14248
Joined: 5-November 07
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 103914




When we talk about traveling, we often talk about the authenticity of a place. Pam of Nerd's Eye View takes issue with the misuse of this word, and I do too. Just a little bit.

What does authenticity mean in today's globalized, plastic world? Is it merely the absence of chain restaurants and shopping malls? For a short and simple answer, yes.

But there are subtleties surrounding this idea.

If you use this description of authenticity, you eliminate the entire continent of North America. What would New York City or Los Angeles be without chain restaurants and shopping malls? There wouldn't be a whole lot left.

Pam makes a good point when she says that the only place that can't be authentic are actual facsimiles of specific places, like The Venetian in Las Vegas.

I think she's got the right idea, but I don't think we need a new word for the feeling of inauthenticity.

The casual usage of authentic is just fine. It's more of a feeling than an actual description. If I was visiting Tokyo, (probably the most "inauthentic" place on the planet) I think I would feel like I was in the "real Tokyo", no matter how many chain stores and shopping malls were around.

On the other hand, if I found myself in suburban Toronto, with big-box stores and freeways all around, I would feel like I was not in the "real Toronto". I think it's a matter of familiarization. I've been to Toronto more than enough times to know what the city "should" feel like. North York does not "feel" like Toronto.

When I was in Paris, and staying in a suburban hotel, I still felt like I was in Paris, just because it was so foreign to me. There were chain stores and fast food all around. But I'm sure a local Parisian would've felt just as disenchanted as I feel in North York.

And that's my word on the subject of authenticity. What's yours?



--------------------
User is online!PM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
mmbcross
post Jun 10 2008, 02:03 PM
Post #2


Tripper
******

Group: Local Expert
Posts: 1914
Joined: 4-June 06
Member No.: 2195




That's interesting. Suburban Toronto does not "feel" like Toronto, but suburban Paris does "feel" like Paris. How about suburban Montreal or Miami. Could you mistake suburban Quebec for suburban Paris (ignore the accent, just look at the surroundings)?

Does suburban Miami "feel" like Miami? To a resident it does, but to a visitor it probably doesn't. A visitor pictures Miami as South Beach, which our suburbs do not resemble at all. Nevertheless they still have palm trees and tile roofs, and everyone speaks Spanish.

How about suburban New York or Sydney. If you were dropped in suburban Sydney by a flying saucer, would you know you were in Sydney, or even in Australia for that matter (ignore the accent, just look at the surroundings)?


--------------------
www.miami-beach-travelguide.com
User is offlinePM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
starlagurl
post Jun 10 2008, 02:06 PM
Post #3


Rolling Stone
********

Group: TP Staff
Posts: 14248
Joined: 5-November 07
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 103914




Well... I kind of am arguing the opposite... because I've been to Montreal and Toronto a bunch of times, I know what it should feel like, so no...suburban Montreal doesn't feel like Montreal to me anymore. Suburban Ottawa doesn't feel like Ottawa to me either, and I live here.

The first time I went there, yes, suburban Montreal felt like Montreal to me. The more I go, I think the more inauthentic a place feels (to me anyway)


--------------------
User is online!PM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
starlagurl
post Jun 10 2008, 02:07 PM
Post #4


Rolling Stone
********

Group: TP Staff
Posts: 14248
Joined: 5-November 07
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 103914




It's like the "radius of authenticity" shrinks the more you visit a place.


--------------------
User is online!PM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
travelmonster
post Jun 11 2008, 03:10 PM
Post #5


Trekker
*******

Group: Local Expert
Posts: 3847
Joined: 28-October 07
From: England
Member No.: 101826




Hmm, authenticity - well, I'm gonna go back to my trip to Tenerife earlier this year. I don't know if Tenerife has the same reputation over your side of the pond as it does here, but here a lot of people see it as a party destination to go and lay in the sun all day and get blind drunk during the evening.

After some researching of the island I could see that there was more to it than that, so booked the cheapest flights I could find and we went there.

On the south coast there are two main resorts Playa De Las America and Los Christianos - centres for mass tourism at their worst (in my opinion). One day we took a stroll along the front from where we were staying and ended up meeting up with these resorts - now this is where I would use the word inauthentic - to the point of tragic!! These resorts are made up of McDonalds, Burger King, KFC - places advertising English Breakfasts and the VERY worst thing we saw as a board boasting 'No Spanish Food Served Here!'

To me that IS inauthentic - it's a purpose made resort with nothing remotely Spanish or Canarian about it - you could have been anywere in the world!!



--------------------
User is offlinePM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
starlagurl
post Jun 11 2008, 03:23 PM
Post #6


Rolling Stone
********

Group: TP Staff
Posts: 14248
Joined: 5-November 07
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 103914




Hmmm...but...that IS the "real Tenerife" ... like that's how it is...

So maybe you got the inauthentic feeling because you did research beforehand, and learned how Tenerife "should" be...hm....


--------------------
User is online!PM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
travelmonster
post Jun 11 2008, 03:31 PM
Post #7


Trekker
*******

Group: Local Expert
Posts: 3847
Joined: 28-October 07
From: England
Member No.: 101826




No, the thing was, we drove around the island lots on that trip and those two purpose built resorts were the only places on the island like it - they were nothing like the rest of it.

The rest of the island was awesome and has history to way back when........

It was sad to see these resorts there, a blot on the landscape to an otherwise beautiful island.

They are purpose built mecca's where people eat fast food, lay in the sun and see NOTHING of the country they are visiting.



--------------------
User is offlinePM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
starlagurl
post Jun 11 2008, 03:34 PM
Post #8


Rolling Stone
********

Group: TP Staff
Posts: 14248
Joined: 5-November 07
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 103914




Yeah I know...I hate them too...but at the same time, these resorts are still "part of the island" and all part of the experience I guess... I horrible and bad experience, but still an experience...and experiences are authentic... I think... am I being too vague on the definition of authentic? Maybe...


--------------------
User is online!PM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
travelmonster
post Jun 11 2008, 03:49 PM
Post #9


Trekker
*******

Group: Local Expert
Posts: 3847
Joined: 28-October 07
From: England
Member No.: 101826




Yeah, I see what you are saying and it's true I guess. It's there, its real, its happening every day, its part of it (not a very nice part I think we agree), but nevertheless part of it.



--------------------
User is offlinePM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
starlagurl
post Jun 11 2008, 03:50 PM
Post #10


Rolling Stone
********

Group: TP Staff
Posts: 14248
Joined: 5-November 07
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 103914




Maybe we really do need another word for that feeling of authenticity...

But the feeling is different for everyone, so it's hard to pin down one meaning.


--------------------
User is online!PM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
travelmonster
post Jun 11 2008, 03:56 PM
Post #11


Trekker
*******

Group: Local Expert
Posts: 3847
Joined: 28-October 07
From: England
Member No.: 101826




Maybe superficial is a better word for these resorts.


--------------------
User is offlinePM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
starlagurl
post Jun 11 2008, 03:57 PM
Post #12


Rolling Stone
********

Group: TP Staff
Posts: 14248
Joined: 5-November 07
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 103914




Yeah...unpleasant...wasteful...plastic...

The point of the original blog post I was talking about was a plea for publications like National Geographic Traveler to stop using the word authenticity.


--------------------
User is online!PM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
travelmonster
post Jun 11 2008, 04:03 PM
Post #13


Trekker
*******

Group: Local Expert
Posts: 3847
Joined: 28-October 07
From: England
Member No.: 101826




Having now read the article in full - I like more description than just authentic or inauthentic too!


--------------------
User is offlinePM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
starlagurl
post Jun 11 2008, 04:08 PM
Post #14


Rolling Stone
********

Group: TP Staff
Posts: 14248
Joined: 5-November 07
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 103914




Yeah I can't decide now.


--------------------
User is online!PM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
travelmonster
post Jun 11 2008, 04:16 PM
Post #15


Trekker
*******

Group: Local Expert
Posts: 3847
Joined: 28-October 07
From: England
Member No.: 101826




I think its true to say that the resorts we have been discussing are plastic/superficial etc. and perhaps inauthentic, but I like detail - just to say something is authentic or not wouldn't be enough to me.

The travel blogs that keep my attention are detailed ones.


--------------------
User is offlinePM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
starlagurl
post Jun 12 2008, 07:59 AM
Post #16


Rolling Stone
********

Group: TP Staff
Posts: 14248
Joined: 5-November 07
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 103914




Hm...yeah... I know from doing journalism for so long, that you can get across a feeling of authenticity, just by describing something in detail...

Like don't say "He was nervous"

Say, "He was sweating and fumbling with his papers, his face turned red as he stammered out an answer to the question"


--------------------
User is online!PM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
laorfamily
post Jun 13 2008, 02:46 PM
Post #17


Frequent Flyer
*****

Group: Local Expert
Posts: 832
Joined: 14-December 06
Member No.: 30320




My biggest "authentic" dissapointment was San Juan, Puerto Rico. You get out of Cristobal Fort and you see ..McDonalds & Hooters.


--------------------
Living Well Is The Best Revenge

Bear Hunting at Cheesequake State Park

Our trip to the mouth of the mouse: Disney's Evil Empire of Happy Endings
User is offlinePM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
starlagurl
post Jun 13 2008, 02:49 PM
Post #18


Rolling Stone
********

Group: TP Staff
Posts: 14248
Joined: 5-November 07
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 103914




Growse...got any photos? I love that sort of juxtaposition of opposite architecture...


--------------------
User is online!PM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
laorfamily
post Jun 13 2008, 03:15 PM
Post #19


Frequent Flyer
*****

Group: Local Expert
Posts: 832
Joined: 14-December 06
Member No.: 30320




QUOTE(starlagurl @ Jun 13 2008, 03:49 PM) *

Growse...got any photos? I love that sort of juxtaposition of opposite architecture...


Just of the fort, I was so diappointed & disgusted that I haven't been back to PR yet (don't even start me on the princess/premadonna I went to PR with).


--------------------
Living Well Is The Best Revenge

Bear Hunting at Cheesequake State Park

Our trip to the mouth of the mouse: Disney's Evil Empire of Happy Endings
User is offlinePM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
starlagurl
post Jun 13 2008, 03:16 PM
Post #20


Rolling Stone
********

Group: TP Staff
Posts: 14248
Joined: 5-November 07
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 103914




Ohhhhhhh no, how long ago was this anyway?


--------------------
User is online!PM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

2 Pages V  1 2 >
Fast ReplyReply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 


- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 22nd December 2009 - 05:17 PM
Top Hotel Destinations

Acapulco Hotels
Atlanta Hotels
Austin Hotels
Beijing Hotels
Cancun Hotels
Charlotte Hotels
Chicago Hotels
Dallas Hotels
Honolulu Hotels
Houston Hotels
Indianapolis Hotels
Kissimmee Hotels
Las Vegas Hotels
London Hotels
Los Angeles Hotels
Mexico City Hotels
Miami Hotels
Miami Beach Hotels
Montreal Hotels
Myrtle Beach Hotels
Nashville Hotels
Negril Hotels
New Orleans Hotels
New York City Hotels
Orlando Hotels
Paris Hotels
Phoenix Hotels
Playa del Carmen Hotels
Puerto Plata Hotels
Puerto Vallarta Hotels
Punta Cana Hotels
Rome Hotels
San Antonio Hotels
San Diego Hotels
San Francisco Hotels
Seattle Hotels
Shanghai Hotels
Tampa Hotels
Toronto Hotels
Washington DC Hotels



Africa | Asia | Australasia | Europe | Middle East | North America | South America | Central America | Caribbean

Copyright © 1997 - 2009 TravelPod.com, a proud founder of travel blogs on the web. All Rights Reserved.