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Paul
post Feb 19 2007, 04:48 AM
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Hi. I want to hear some thoughts on Pai in Northern Thailand.

I have never stayed there but I have passed through there. It looks really really terrible. You could play spot the Thai there as it seems to be mainly a backpacker hovel. Seems to have no Thai culture at all. I have heard many people say terrible things about it.

But. I have heard many people say they love it. The surrounding scenery is supposed to be very beautiful and the place is very well organised to cater for tourists from what I can tell.

So what is the facts (and opinions) on Pai? Is it just a place for people that want cheap drugs and to eat pizza and spaghetti or is there something more to it?
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post Feb 19 2007, 02:02 PM
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I was there in 2002 and I loved it, but I'd say it has changed and developed a lot since then. We had travelled there because it sounded so nice and we wanted to get away from all the 'elephant tours' that we were surrounded by in Chiang Mai.

When I was there there were very few tourists, which made a big change coming from Chiang Mai. But there were still enough to meet other backpackers - that low quantity where you would talk to pretty much every one you saw.

There seemed to be a slight Muslim influence, but that could have been my imagination. Also, I don't remember noticing any bars and there was no sign of drugs, so it sounds like it's gone the way of so many other places.

We stayed in an perfectly idyllic hostel and were the only people staying there. The gardens were beautiful and our Thai hosts were friendly.

We did a 2 day rafting trip from there which was just fantastic.


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post Feb 19 2007, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE(Paul @ Feb 19 2007, 04:48 PM) *

Hi. I want to hear some thoughts on Pai in Northern Thailand.

I have never stayed there but I have passed through there. It looks really really terrible. You could play spot the Thai there as it seems to be mainly a backpacker hovel. Seems to have no Thai culture at all. I have heard many people say terrible things about it.

But. I have heard many people say they love it. The surrounding scenery is supposed to be very beautiful and the place is very well organised to cater for tourists from what I can tell.

So what is the facts (and opinions) on Pai? Is it just a place for people that want cheap drugs and to eat pizza and spaghetti or is there something more to it?


Hi Paul,

Pai is not the sleepy little town it used to be. It has been a famous stop for backpackers in North Thailand for several years now. Most of the local people have sold out to people from Bangkok who have opened guest houses, pubs, trekking companies and western restaurants.

Just last week in the Thai language newspaper Chiang Mai News there was a photo of an American, a Mr Spencer, on the front page in handcuffs pointing to large bags of Marijuana with a policeman. The article went on to say that westerners have been seen smoking marijuana openly in Pai. A plainclothes undercover task force is in place and following those seen smoking marijuana to their guest house where they get their name from the manager or owner and put into a data base for further investigation.

Mr Spencer was caught after police detained and questioned western marijuana smokers in Pai who turned him in for selling them the marijuana.

The article went on to say that the police are conducting similar operations on the islands around Koh Samui as drugs are a problem there also.

My wife and I like to go to the sleepy little town of Thaton. I first went there in 1990 after going to the Chang Puak bus station in Chiang Mai and seeing the bus to Pai loaded with tourists and the bus to Thaton with hill tribe people. I took the bus to Thaton and have been returning often ever since. Ning and I went back just last month and it is still as quiet and beautiful and when I first went.

Here is an articel I wrote for the "Welcome to Chiangmai and Chiangrai magazine." Margaret and Goson (the owners and good friends) wanted an article for the rainy season so I selected Thaton for the article.

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Now that the rainy season is quickly upon us, places with wet sandy beaches and cloudy rainy skies seem less appealing. However, the culture rich mountainous north is at its most attractive time of year.

There is a wonderful, scenic, and peaceful place where brief afternoon rain showers are definitely an advantage. This little known gem is the community of Ban Thaton in Mae Ai district and Chiangmai province.

The spectacular scenery with the Mae Kok river snaking its way through the fertile Fang valley disappearing into tree covered mountains is a photographer's dream. The brief rain showers keep the air fresh and clean to offer unlimited visibility of this strikingly beautiful area. Big puffy white clouds decorating the mountain tops against a rich blue sky with numerous rainbows occur only during the rainy season. Colorful hilltribe people working in corn fields set on almost vertical slopes surrounded by many shades of green from the lush vegetation complete the picture.


You will be equally impressed by the hospitality and friendliness of the Thaton people. The area is a unique cultural mixture of Thai, Chinese, and hill tribe people who welcome western visitors but do not change traditions to please them.

The first place to visit is Wat Thaton. The temple grounds consisting of over 400 rai of land is famous for it large Buddha statues over looking the town. The breath taking vistas from the upper temple grounds are unmatched anywhere in Thailand. The temple is a perfect place for meditation and study because of its quiet tree covered grounds and flower gardens. Contrary to popular belief, heavy rain showers only happen at night. Daytime showers occur only on the mountain tops. Between 5 and 7 p.m. the skies open up with torrent rain. These cool evening rains make it excellent for sleeping. The mornings are clean and clear with spectacular sun rise.

A popular mode of transportation in the area is bicycle. The paved country road which winds along the river and through mountain canyon is easy by bike. Its possible to enjoy a hot spring bath and visit Akha, Lahu, Yao, Lisu, Karen and Shan hill tribe villages in one day. Guest houses are located in a Karen and Lisu village for those wishing to stay with the hill tribe people of the area .

October through December is the best time of year for trekking. No need to worry about getting wet from brief mountain showers as your dry clothes are never far away at the guest house. Treks can last from a few hours to several days returning to the Lisu village or sleeping in a house built in the jungle or a different hilltribe village.

The cool season is also the time of year for bamboo rafting from Baan Thaton to Chiangrai. The rain adds excitement and adventure to the the beautiful Mae Kok river. The many rapids that seem a mere ripple during the dry season become white water thrills. The rafts are large, well built, and covered yet carefully designed to easily navigate the swift narrow rapids. Two experienced raft men guide you on this exciting journey packed with beautiful scenery, colorful hill tribe villages and friendly people.

Baan Thaton is regarded in most guide books only as a quick stopover before traveling to Chiangrai by long tail boat. Most visitors stay only a few hours waiting for the boat to depart at 12:30 p.m. to Chiangrai. The few that do stay in the area all comment that the Thaton area is the highlight of their Thailand journey. They are impressed with the friendliness of the people without the commercialism found in the heavily visited tourist area. Trekkingseems the most popular attraction and the groups are small consisting of two to four persons. Some rules and restrictions apply to maintain village harmony, custom and tradition. The Thaton area has much to offer the visitor in the way of accommodations. They have inexpensive guest houses to lush garden resorts and everything in between.

In summary, Thaton is a wonderful place. A quiet place that believes in keeping its culture intact. It enjoys western visitors but does not change traditions to please them. Because of the few visitors who stay in the area the hill tribe people are shy but friendly so making friends is easy. Talk with them, smile with them and enjoy their hospitality and friendship. Here you can experience a way of life that is lost in present day Thailand.

Enjoy,
Randy and Ning
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post Feb 20 2007, 03:08 AM
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Thanks for that. I am one of the ones that have been through Thaton. Visiting the temple there. My Laotian monk friends when they first entered Thailand had lived there, so we had a nice visit to say hi to the temple cook etc. It looked like a beautiful little town. Although maybe not set up to cater for the tourist who is used to everything being laid on for them - but for many of us, Thaton is exactly the sort of place that'd we'd love to visit.

But back to Pai. I still wanna understand it. What is going on? Why go there?

A volunteer of mine that spent a month outside Chiang Rai helping the hilltribes (which she loved) then went and spent time in Pai doing some breathing and meditation workshops. She loved Pai also. That is what has made me ask about it. I would have assumed that she would hate it. So I wanna understand more about what is there and what it is like to stay there.
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