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> my hatred of the yellow and red
nealinthailand
post Apr 9 2009, 08:02 AM
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am i the only one who is tired of the constant demonstration and counter demonstrations that have been going on in thailand for a year now? seriously, grow the hell up already. if you dont like your elected official then vote him out next election. stop with this asinine daily protest S*$#. you are acting like a bunch of children and look like a bunch of idiots


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post Apr 9 2009, 10:50 AM
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This is a pretty complicated situation, and I'll tell you what I learned from my *very short* time there.

Yellow shirts = supporters of the king generally the urban "elite" or more wealthy people aka the PAD Peoples' Alliance for Democracy

Red shirts = supporters of the elected government, generally more rural and poorer people

Thaksin Shinawatra (red shirt) was thrown out in a coup in 2006. Later there was an election, and more red shirts were elected. The yellow shirts believe that this election and the government is corrupt. They started massive protests and took over Government House and various airports. Then a yellow shirt guy was appointed prime minister, now the red shirt people want him out.


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post Apr 9 2009, 04:46 PM
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I can understand nealinthailand's views but I would say that the continued demonstrations are largely resulting from the relative "success" of the "yellow shirt" campaign to get what they wanted when they shut down the airport for a week or so. Since then, the "leaders" from both sides have realized that protests can be a viable option for getting what they want.

This is not to say that I think the army should step in to stop these protests as I understand they have a rather complex role in the entire Thai political process. However, it seems that the two camps believe that protesting is a better alternative (despite how ridiculous it may appear) than pursuing change through a seemingly flawed democratic process.

Overall, I am sad to see these protests carry on because I think that they do not benefit the country, especially from an economic perspective. I sure hope a resolution can be sorted out soon because Thailand is such a beautiful country with a lot going for it.
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post Apr 9 2009, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(nealinthailand @ Apr 9 2009, 06:02 AM) *

am i the only one who is tired of the constant demonstration and counter demonstrations that have been going on in thailand for a year now? seriously, grow the hell up already. if you dont like your elected official then vote him out next election. stop with this asinine daily protest S*$#. you are acting like a bunch of children and look like a bunch of idiots


I can understand how this must disrupt your life. Can you imagine how it affects Thais? But,....

After the coup, there was an election.

Unfortunately, the people who brought you the coup decided that the people of Thailand voted for the wrong party. They then started the yellow shirt campaign, and finally got the elected party tossed out and had new elections take place.

Guess what. The stupid electorate voted the wrong party in again!

The yellows continued, on and on, finally culminating with the airport fiasco. The sitting, elected government was removed and a new government was appointed. More or less, we had a coup without the tanks.

I don't know where you are from, but if this was to happen in the US, Canada, Great Britain or Oz, should the citizens just quietly accept it, like good little people?



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post Apr 9 2009, 11:44 PM
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first i would just like to say that i support neither of these groups. i believe the 2006 coup was a complete farce and of course very non democratic. if you dont like your ELECTED official then vote him out next time around! The PAD is ridiculous because it wants to take away the right to vote from the rural areas because they are too "stupid" to vote correctly. does this sound very democratic? While i believe that the redshirts have a legitimate beef with the current situation I dont think that completely tearing your country apart is the solution.

as a side note, both sides are firm supporters of the king so please dont let the color of the PAD fool you into believing that the red shirts are anti monarchy. i dont think there is any anti monarchy sentiment in this process although the silence from that end of bangkok also leads to the chaos that we see everyday in the streets


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post Apr 10 2009, 10:03 AM
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thats the problem....the police just sit idly by while these protestors shut down airports and now have brought traffic in bangkok to a standstill (not a big difference from every other day really lol). i honestly believe that the governments babying of these people lead directly to more protests. it is time to break out the tear gas and water cannons and if that doesnt work, a baton to the head usually sorts matters out rather quickly


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post Apr 13 2009, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(nealinthailand @ Apr 10 2009, 12:44 AM) *

as a side note, both sides are firm supporters of the king so please dont let the color of the PAD fool you into believing that the red shirts are anti monarchy.


Oh OK, good to know, thanks.




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post Apr 13 2009, 12:28 PM
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I wouldn't mind a coup in Britain to get our incompetant, unelected Prime Minister out of office......


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post Apr 13 2009, 06:30 PM
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How can someone live in Thailand and not understand the police inaction against the protesters?


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post Apr 13 2009, 10:30 PM
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i never said i dont understand i just said that the stance is asinine and comes across as being completely incompetent. please dont misunderstand my disagreement with policy with a lack of understanding of policy because that is not the case


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post Apr 13 2009, 11:51 PM
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I am not so concerned whether one understands the police inaction or agrees/disagrees with the policy. For those of us who love Thailand, I think we can all concur that the current circumstances are very sad. I am hopeful that some sort of resolution occurs sooner rather than later as this would probably be most beneficial for the country as a whole.

I have friends who are not involved in the political turmoil but are just struggling to survive on a daily basis. These are the people I feel for the most.
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post Apr 28 2009, 12:26 AM
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If I could jump in here, and at the same time maybe get some more readers for my poor neglected journal... crying_anim02.gif I had some first-hand experience with the PAD and DAAD during our two-week vacation in the Bangkok area in the latter half of November 2008. If you don't care to read through the entire journal, jump to the last three entries, starting with post #12, titled "Hey, Go Coup in Someone Else's Ear" - which deal with the escalation of tensions and our escape from the country.

We stayed with family there, and while I had been following the political unrest closely via the U.S. State Department's travel advisory site and the international news outlets over most of the year preceding our visit, we could never have predicted that the PAD mob would take over both major Bangkok airports just a few days before our scheduled return to the US, effectively taking us and some 100,000 other travelers hostage.

Because we were staying with locals who were hooked into an on-the-ball network of family and friends, we were able to get out of the country via Chiang Mai, actually a day ahead of our intended departure - but it was no less dangerous, no less nerve-wracking and, obviously, no less a waste of the latter half of our visit.

What struck me was that the locals we talked to, from family to friends to random strangers, were all angry and disgusted at both the yellowshirted PAD and the redshirted DAAD - to which they referred as simply "the mobs." The distinct impression was that the good, decent majority of Thai people want nothing to do with the collectivist mobs and retain as deep a respect for the Thai constitution and the rule of law as do the good, decent majority of Americans do theirs. But as is usually the case, the fanatical thugs get the press, and because they can get press, they labor under the delusion that publicity somehow imbues their criminality with a patina of justice and right. And yes, shutting down airports and stranding travelers, for whatever reason, is indeed a species of kidnapping, therefore a crime.

I don't claim to have an extensive grasp of the intricacies of Thai politics, but from what the family who put us up told us, what I've been able to gather from articles on the subject, and from what I know of philosophy and politics in general, the only significant difference between the two mobs is superficial - the PAD mob victimizes innocent bystanders intentionally, gleefully and without a second thought, while the DAAD mob generally limits itself to victimizing PAD adherents and anyone unlucky enough to get caught in the crossfire. On core philosophy they're virtually identical in their disregard for individual rights and for the rule of law, and in their embrace of collectivist policy.

One can only hope that voices of reason will arise within Thailand and demand that all parties respect the results of elections whether win or lose, and discontinue the recourse to brute force to achieve momentary political gain. This mob group-think mentality is only hurting the whole of Thailand and its people, to say nothing of international travelers.

To anyone planning on a Thailand trip, I'd advise just keeping close tabs on the State Dept. site and international news, but to be ready for anything and keep your eyes wide open when you get there. If you know Thai citizens or resident expats there, so much the better.

Generally if you stay away from any and all demonstrations and from government complexes, the only real danger you'll be in is the danger of being trapped there for an indefinite period. It's a nation bordered by countries that are generally even more dangerous than the internal demonstrations, also a country that has a relatively small number of international airports - which means it doesn't take much for international travel to be shut down. If you have the wherewithal to sit tight and wait it out, these Thai political storms generally blow themselves out in time. Most of us have family and jobs (or school) and other pressing obligations to get back to though, so plan accordingly.

My $.02 worth. I now yield the soapbox to...
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post Apr 28 2009, 09:12 AM
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Well said bahtman.

I'm glad you got out of there safe and on time. Lucky for you and your family taking care of you!


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